ATi Vs Nvidia (2015)

Discussion in 'Hardware Discussion' started by SCHUMI_4EVER, Mar 27, 2012.

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AMD Radeon or nVidia GeForce?

  1. AMD Radeon FTW!

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  2. nVidia GeForce all the way!

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  3. Screw them both, Intel HD graphics are like the best GPU ever!

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  1. Lasnap

    Lasnap Elven-Dragon Mage

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    Doubling VRAM usually adds between $20-$50 to the cost of a GPU so your wish is very likely going to be granted and there may even be ones going for less then $250
  2. Thanakil

    Thanakil NGemu Award Winner Award Winner!

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    The card seems to be confirmed faster than the 390x and 980:
    http://www.techpowerup.com/img/16-06-01/22a.jpg
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    http://cdn.videocardz.com/1/2016/05/AMD-Radeon-R9-480-3DMark11-Performance.png
    Meaning the 480 is nearly the power of a Fury. Two of them in CF is about 90% the power of a 1080.

    As for the price of the VRAM: if I remember correctly, going from 2gb to 4gb on a 960 was +20$. My personal guess would be +35$ for the 480 8gb.

    Someone who has previously leaked AMD info has said this before an info dump from Computex at Macau:
    "DOOM in Vulcan and in the future with HDR uses POLARIS Low Lev. Optimisations !
    ~200FPS FHD in Vulcan on 199USD RX 4GB GPU & RX 8GB for 229USD"
    200fps at 1080 is pretty damn good compared to what I got in OpenGL.
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  3. Thanakil

    Thanakil NGemu Award Winner Award Winner!

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    Based on early reviews, the 480 doesn't perform as well as expected. Instead of being a 980 for 230$, it's closer to a 970 at 230$.
    Overclocking is also apparently very poor with it for the time being. People get less than 5% overclock, closer to 2% it looks like.
    With that said, AIB partners have said that they've seen cards overclock from 1266mhz to 1500 and 1600 with great coolers, which they'll add to their versions.
    You still need to get lucky to get that high, but overclocking to 1400mhz might be relatively common with those boards.
  4. Yeloazndevil

    Yeloazndevil Administrator Staff Member

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    "Another oddity – and one that may make enthusiast a bit more cheery – is that AMD only built a single reference design card for this release to cover both the 4GB and 8GB varieties. That means that the cards that go on sale today listed at 4GB models will actually have 8GB of memory on them! With half of the DRAM partially disabled, it seems likely that someone soon will find a way to share a VBIOS to enable the additional VRAM. In fact, AMD provided me with a 4GB and an 8GB VBIOS for testing purpose. It’s a cost saving measure on AMD’s part – this way they only have to validate and build a single PCB.'"

    http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/AMD-Radeon-RX-480-Review-Polaris-Promise

    more reason to get the 4GB model :p save that $40 cuz MSRP of the 8GB model went up $10
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  5. fivefeet8

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    Performance and Power Consumption is a bit disappointing for the 14 nm FF process it's using. The default blower setup is also meh with temps.

    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-radeon-rx-480-polaris-10,4616-9.html

    "AMD’s Radeon RX 480 draws an average of 164W, which exceeds the company's target TDP. And it gets worse. The load distribution works out in a way that has the card draw 86W through the motherboard’s PCIe slot. Not only does this exceed the 75W ceiling we typically associate with a 16-lane slot, but that 75W limit covers several rails combined and not just this one interface."

    It would be interesting to see if there are any audio artifacts with it exceeding the PCIe voltage limits.
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  6. snickothemule

    snickothemule brb gonna go fist the world lol Junior Contributor Award Winner!

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    silicone lottery strikes again!
  7. ViperXtreme

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    Not only toms but several review sites are also pointing out on the power draw limits

    Also, just before RX 480 launch, some rumour/leaks of GTX 1060 supposed to be released mid july
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    Also few weeks after 1070 release, prices continues to drop in our area would prolly get one soon if it hits a good spot
  8. snickothemule

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    Some shenanigans going on with the amount of power getting pulled from the PCIE slot, claims are it violates the spec and could potentially damage mobos.

    Drop it like its hot amd.
  9. Yeloazndevil

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    waiting for amd to do a recall or maybe all amd needs to do is a bios update to fix that issue or just avoid reference cards.
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  10. Thanakil

    Thanakil NGemu Award Winner Award Winner!

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    About the power draw: AMD was answering questions online and said this is actually something that they test in-house before releasing a card, so that one came as a bit of a surprise to them. Since not every reviewer had that issue, they're currently contacting them to see how/why it happens to try and reproduce the issue internally.

    People buying a budget card are probably buying budget-everything. Not the kind of users who should get their hands on a GPU that could potentially damage other components.
  11. snickothemule

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    In the end I think it's an interesting product and sets a decent baseline for the mainstream. If devs can use a card like this which is supposedly in the PS4 Neo then in an ideal world (lol) PC gaming has a very good product.

    The 1060 I'm sure will beat it, but doubtfully on price. If it's more powerful then great, but if the cost is much greater it'll be a bad investment (I still rue spending the cash on the blasted 760). If the 480 were any costlier, it'd be a pretty poor budget card.

    Better standards for all I say even if the card is a little underwhelming in light of the leaked info (perception of getting more than what you pay plays well in nvidia's court, being tapped out of the gate seems to be AMD's mo).
  12. Lasnap

    Lasnap Elven-Dragon Mage

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  13. Silenus

    Silenus Pilgrim Junior Contributor

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    That's good news about the ram, wondering if a bios can unlock it or if the 4gb version are just the 8gb versions with a faulty module like dropouts from the 8gb version.

    On nvidia's case I remember some cards were rebadged as lower models when that happened. Like when I had a 6800 vanilla but could unlock it to 6800 gs or something like that.
  14. Thanakil

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    Early rumors don't look too good for the 1060, in that regard.
    Supposedly has 2 versions, 3gb and 6gb. The card is aimed at being somewhere between the 970 and the 980 (non-ti). 299$ for the 6gb version.

    This seems like a high price for what would be a small perf improvement over the 480, and a small loss in vram and most likely DX12 performance. I'm guessing Nvidia had to decide between being competitive against the 480, without offering such a low price that people wonder why the 1070 and 1080 cost that much more. I could see it being a good 250-275$ card.
  15. ViperXtreme

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    3 and 6GB? it would have made more sense if it was at least 6GB 192bit (or maybe just go full 8GB 192bit asymmetrical)
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  17. fivefeet8

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    The AMD 480 should have come with at least an 8pin power connector. Pulling over 75w avg from the PCIe interface is probably not a good idea for sustained gaming or overlocking. Considering that this card is marketed toward the mainstream who generally don't have the best motherboards on the market, it's a bit perplexing how this issue got overlooked.

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  18. Yeloazndevil

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    "We continuously tune our GPUs in order to maximize their performance within their given power envelopes and the speed of the memory interface, which in this case is an unprecedented 8 Gbps for GDDR5. Recently, we identified select scenarios where the tuning of some RX 480 boards was not optimal. Fortunately, we can adjust the GPU's tuning via software in order to resolve this issue. We are already testing a driver that implements a fix, and we will provide an update to the community on our progress on Tuesday (July 5, 2016)."

    so in other words make the card a bit weaker to get power usage down probably with throttling
  19. snickothemule

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  20. Thanakil

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    Has anyone tried water cooling the 480 by pouring actual water on it? It's crazy enough it might just work.
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